Robert Turnbull1,2

ID#34, (circa January 1774 - 7 May 1854)
Robert Turnbull|b. cir. Jan 1774\nd. 7 May 1854|p34.htm|Walter Turnbull|b. cir. Jun 1745\nd. aft. 1791|p10886.htm|Elizabeth Dickson|b. cir. 1750|p10887.htm|Walter Turnbull|b. say 1720\nd. aft. 1764|p10891.htm|Betty Turnbull|b. say 1720\nd. aft. 1764||||||||
| Father | Walter Turnbull3 (cir. Jun 1745 - aft. 1791) |
| Mother | Elizabeth Dickson (cir. 1750 - ); (mother's surname not given on baptism record)3 |
| Charts | Ancestors (& their siblings) of Alice HENDERSON nee ANDREWS Maternal ancestors of Lorna Maternal timeline TURNBULL |
| Relationship | 3rd great-grandfather of Lorna Henderson. |

H/stone Robert & Helen TURNBULL of Hathwaite Gate, Canonbie, Dumfries, rcvd from Bridget C, Nov 2009
Robert Turnbull married Eleanor Scott on 28 Mar 1811 in Stapleton, CUL, ENG, the entry in the Bishop's Transcripts reading: Robert Turnbull of Dikehead in the Parish of Kirkandrews and Elenor Scott of this Parish, (Stapleton) were married in this church by licence this twenty eigth day of March 1811 By me John Topping Curate. Witnesses Thomas Scott and Elenor Turnbull (assumed to be their respective siblings). Signed Robert Turnbull and Elenor Scot's Mark.7
Robert died on 7 May 1854 at Riggmoor Gate, Nichol Forest, CUL, ENG; cert #174 reads: Robert Turnbull, 80, joiner, of general debility of old age, not certified, informant James Turnbull, present at the death, of Riggmoor Gate, Nicholforest, reg. 3 Jun 1854 John Hope, registrar of Registration District Longtown, sub district Longtown High in County of Cumberland.8 He was buried with Eleanor Scott at Canonbie, DFS, SCT, Erected IMO Walter s/o Robert & Helen Turnbull of Hathetgate who died Oct 24th 1826 aged 4 yrs. Also Elizabeth their dtr who d. 15th Oct 1836 aged 22 yrs. Also above Helen Turnbull who d. 28th Sep 1846 aged 66 yrs. And above Robert Turnbull who died May 7th 1854 aged 82 yrs.9
In Mar 1811 Robert Turnbull was living at Dykehead, Par. of Kirkandrews on Esk, CUL, ENG, when he and Eleanor married, and also at some point in son Robert's univeristy term.7,10 By 1814 he was a joiner at Cuddies Town, CUL, ENG, when dtr Elizabeth baptised.11 In 1817 Robert was still a joiner, but at Hathwaite Gate, Par. of Nichol Forest, CUL, ENG, when son John baptised (spelt Hathwat Gate).12 In 1820 when son James baptised he was described as a joiner again, now at Rigg Gate, CUL, ENG.2 In 1822 two years later, when son Walter was baptised, he was still a joiner, back at Hathwaite Gate, Par. of Nichol Forest, CUL, ENG.13 In 1825 Robert was a carpenter, still at Hathwaite Gate, Par. of Nichol Forest, CUL, ENG, when dtr Eleanor baptised.14 Robert and Helen were predeceased by their son Walter Turnbull on 24 Oct 1826; when he was 4 (at "Hathetgate").9 Robert Turnbull was not listed as resident of Nichol Forest in the Cumberland directory in 1829, the farmer of Dyke head being listed as James Armstrong.15 Robert and Helen were also predeceased by their dtr on 15 Oct 1836 Elizabeth Turnbull; when she was 22.9
Robert appeared on the census of 7 Jun 1841 at Glendinning Rigg Gate, Par. of Kirkandrews upon Esk, CUL, ENG, with Ellenor Turnbull, as Turnbull: Robert 65 joiner; Ellenor 53; James 15; Eleanor 14 (The places immediately before were Rigg Gate, Dikehead and Beyond the wood, after were Glendinning Rigg and Haithwaite Gate then Penton.) (NB instructions to the enumerators for this census were to round ages to the nearest multiple of 5, children tended to have their ages accurately recorded - or at least as accurate as such things can be. These instructions were not always followed).5 It is rather hard to tell if Rigg Gate and Hathwaite Gate were one and the same place. The 1841 census taker's footsteps imply they were two different places, but the baptisms of Robert and Eleanor's children either show a very to-and-fro lifestyle between the two, or, as is more likely, the same place all along.16
Robert Turnbull was the informant for the death of his wife Eleanor Turnbull on 28 Sep 1846 at Riggcommon Gate, Nicholforest, CUL, ENG.17,18 In 1847 Robert Turnbull was listed in a Cumberland directory as: "Turnbull, Rt. joiner, Heathwaite gate", one of 17 names listed as being in the Township. The list of farmers shows Mary Broatch as farmer of Heathwaite. The directory waxes lyrical about the river Liddel which, together with the Kershope, separates Nichol Forest from Scotland. The Liddel apparently "rolls its rapid stream with much grandeur, forming, in some places, fine cascades, which foam over huge rocks and abrupt precipices."19
Robert Turnbull appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 at Rigg Gate, CUL, ENG, enumerated as Turnbull: Robert, head, widower, 77, farmer of 15 acres; Son James 30, joiner; Dtr Elleanor, 25 (all b Nicholforest) and a servant James Gordon, 15, joiner b Kirkandrews on Esk. The previous entry was Haithwaite Gate (William and Ann Little) and the following Glendenning Rigg (John Armstrong and siblings William, James and Catherine).6 In 1858 Glendenning Rigg was still occupied by James Armsrong, farmer."20 The ordnance survey map of 1863 shows a small dot representing the house of Robert Turnbull at the bottom of the road up to Glendinningrigg farmhouse. In 1994 the ruins of the house, together with some fruit trees, were still visible - just. The current occupants of the farmhouse were most intrigued to learn who had lived in the now ruined place, and found a directory, not in the Carlisle Record Office, which had Robert mentioned in it.21 He was given as a wheelwright on son James' death cert in 1891.22
Family | Eleanor Scott (cir. 1788 - Sep 1846) |
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| Last Edited | 15 Nov 2009 |
Citations
- James TURNBULL (17), DC TURNBULL, James, 1891, Inspection p/copy from Marie C, Edgecombe, rcvd Aug 1993 held by L McIntosh.
- Baptisms: Nichol Forest, CUL, ENG, Bap. 1820 James TURNBULL, p/copy taken Aug 1994 (1813 to 1835), PR177/18.
- Bishop's Transcripts, KirkAndrews upon Esk, CUL, ENG, Nciholforest Christenings 1774: p/copy held by L McIntosh, taken Aug 1994.
- Online search: assorted surnames, International Genealogical Index (IGI), Walter TURNBULL/Eliz children:Batch C035601 1761-1873 0090650 Film 6905645 - searched Aug 2002.
- 1841 Census, L Henderson, Waikanae, Kapiti, NZ, Dist 9, extracted Aug 1994.
- 1851 Census, Kirkandrews upon Esk, CUL, ENG, RG07/2428 P112 Schedule #21, p/copy taken Aug 1994.
- Bishop's Transcripts, Stapleton, CUL, ENG, Mar. 1811 Robert TURNBULL/Eleanor SCOTT, p/copy held, taken Aug 1994.
- Certified copy, Dth 1854 Robert TURNBULL, copy rcvd Oct 2002.
- Bridget C, "EM CUL Families: Bridget C," e-mail to Lorna Henderson, TURNBULL MI at Canonbie, ex 1960s transcr by GILCHRIST, rcvd Aug 2007; Photo rcvd Nov 2009.
- J A Venn, Alumni Cantabrigienses Part II 1752-1900, Robert TURNBULL, St John's, 1845-1849, p/copy of entry rcvd Feb 2006.
- Baptisms: Nichol Forest, CUL, ENG, Bap. 1814 Elizabeth TURNBULL, extracted Aug 1994 (1813 to 1835), PR177/18.
- Baptisms: Nichol Forest, CUL, ENG, Bap. 1817 John TURNBULL, son of Robert and Eleanor, extracted Aug 1994 (1813 to 1835), PR177/18.
- Baptisms: Nichol Forest, CUL, ENG, Bap. 1822 Walter TURNBULL, extracted Aug 1994 (1813 to 1835), PR177/18.
- Baptisms: Nichol Forest, CUL, ENG, Bap. 1825 Eleanor TURNBULL, extracted Aug 1994 (1813 to 1835), PR177/18.
- Parson & White, Cumberland & Westmoreland Parson & White, p433 Kirk-Andrews Parish Directory, p/copy held, taken Aug 1994.
- "Lorna's Family History Musings", Feb 2005.
- DTH INDEX: St Caths:, Dth Eleanor TURNBULL, searched Apr 2003.
- Certified copy, Dth 1846 Eleanor TURNBULL nee SCOTT, copy rcvd Aug 2004.
- Mannix & Whellan, Directory of Cumberland 1847, Pages 623 to 614 Eskdale Ward: Kirk-Andrwes-Upon-Esk Directory Nichol Forest Township: p/copy held, taken Aug 1994.
- Post Office, Cumberland & Westmoreland PO Directory, p178 Kirk Andrews-upon-Esk Commercial; p/copy held, taken Aug 1994.
- Capt E R JAMES, Kirkandrews upon Esk, CUL, ENG Ordnance Survey, 1863.
- James TURNBULL (17), DC TURNBULL, James, 1891.
- Certified copy, Mar. 1844 Robert TURNBULL and Louisa MAES, copy rcvd Mar 2005.
- Baptisms: Nichol Forest, CUL, ENG, Bap. 1814 Elizabeth to Robert & Eleanor TURNBULL, of Cuddies Town, extracted Aug 1994 (1813 to 1835), PR177/18.
- Baptisms: Nichol Forest, CUL, ENG, Bap. 1822 Walter TO Robert & Eleanor TURNBULL, of Hathwaite Gate, Nichol Forest, extracted Aug 1994 (1813 to 1835), PR177/18.
E. & O. E. Some/most parish records are rather hard to read and names, places hard to interpret, particularly if you are unfamiliar with an area.
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