Lorna's family forest - Helen Turnbull

Helen Turnbull

(6 November 1789 - between 1841 and 1851)

Father

Walter Turnbull¹ (cir. Jun 1745 - aft. 1791)

Mother

Elizabeth Dickson¹ (cir. 1750 - )

Relationship

4th great-aunt of Lorna Henderson

BMDB data

Helen Turnbull was born on 6 Nov 1789 Dykehead, Par. of Kirkandrews on Esk, CUL, ENG

, IGI submission has Helen Turnbull to Walter Turnbull and Elizabeth Dixon with the place rather confusingly as Dykehead, Kirkandrews, Dumfries, Scotland, which I guess could cover all bases.^2,3 She was baptized on 22 Nov 1789 Canonbie, DFS, SCT

; an extracted record, it shows Helen as the dtr of Walter Turnbul and Elizabeth Dixon, (which fits with the patron submission for her birth and at least one of the places listed!)¹
Helen Turnbull was born fr 1792 - 1796 Nichol Forest, CUL, ENG

, age rounded to 45 in 1841 census.^4,5
Helen Turnbull married Robert Kirkup on 7 Jun 1811 Nichol Forest, CUL

, entry shows Robert was from Kirkandrews Upon Esk & Eleanor of Nichol Forest. Married by license, by John NICHOL, Robert signed, Eleanor, her mark. Witnessed by I IRVING and H WILKINS.^5,4,6
Helen Turnbull died bet. 1841 - 1851 ?CUL, ENG; Not the 1848 Eleanor KIRKUP died Durham. The GRO dth index shows her as aged 19; Possibly died over the Border in Dumfriesshire?⁷

Although Helen's dates are slightly out* for those recorded for the Eleanor married to Robert Kirkup, DNA matches to descendants of Eleanor's daughter Margaret are accumulating.
I'd be more comfortable if matches to other branches of the Kirkup family also had matches, but at this distance removed we are lucky to have any matches at all.
Robert & Elenor's children do have all the names of the usual suspects: Walter, Robert, Eleanor, John, but then so do all the families in the area!

There is also the possibility of course that the source of the matches is Margaret's husband's family as they also have connections to the same area
* Eleanor Kirkup shown as aged 45 in the 1841 census, so 1792-1796
Helen baptized 1789.⁷

Census/Where lived/Occupations

Helen Turnbull and Robert Kirkup appeared on the census of 1841 Peter Syke, Par. of Rockcliff East, CUL, ENG, and are assumed to be husband and wife. They were enumerated as KIRKUP: Robert farmer 42; Eleanor 45; Walter 24; David 18; James 12; Elizabeth 24; Eleanor 13; Ann 10; all b cty.⁸

Names

Helen Turnbull was also known as Eleanor / Elenor Turnbull.^4,9 Her surname was recorded as Turnbul.¹

All the other info

Helen Turnbull witnessed the marriage of Robert Turnbull and Eleanor Scott on 28 Mar 1811 Stapleton, CUL, ENG

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Family

Robert Kirkup (cir. 1792 - Aug 1872)

Children

Elizabeth Kirkup¹⁰ (Mar 1812 - aft. 1841)
Robert Kirkup¹¹ (cir. Mar 1814 - aft. 1881)
Walter Kirkup⁸ (Mar 1816 - bef. Dec 1847)
Margaret Kirkup¹² (cir. Nov 1818 - bet. Sep 1885 - Dec 1885)
John Kirkup¹³ (Jul 1821 - cir. Jan 1901)
David Kirkup⁸ (cir. Jul 1823 - aft. 1861)
Eleanor Kirkup¹⁰ (Oct 1826 - aft. 1851)
James Kirkup⁸ (cir. May 1829 - Oct 1890)
Ann Kirkup⁸ (cir. Jun 1831 - aft. 1851)

Charts

TURNBULL

Last Edited

9 Jan 2020

Citations

Online search: assorted surnames, International Genealogical Index (IGI), Walter TURNBULL/Eliz DICKSON children: batch C118142 1693-1820 1067956, 0102309 Film 6901641 searched Aug 2002.
Online search: assorted surnames, International Genealogical Index (IGI), Walter TURNBULL/Eliz DICKSON children:Film Number: 447775 Ref number 43458 (?endowments for the dead?) also film 455041- searched Aug 2002.
"Lorna's Family History Musings", Jan 2007.
John HALL, "EM TURNBULL/KIRKUP ex John H," e-mail to L Henderson (1), Rcvd May 2006.
Marriages, Burials Baptisms: Nichol Forect, CUL, ENG, Marr. 1811 Robert KIRKUP (Kirkandrews Upon Esk) & Eleanor TURNBULL (Nichol Foreset), extracted Aug 1994 (1800-1812), Notebook, 8/94.
Online search: assorted surnames, International Genealogical Index (IGI), Marr. 1811 Robert KIRKUP & Eleanor TURNBULL, Nichol Forest, CUL, batch M035601, extracted May 2006.
"Lorna's Family History Musings", Nov 2019.
1841 Census images, England & Wales, via Ancestry.com, Par. of Rockliffe, Sub Reg Dist of Stanwix, Dist of Carlisle Ho107/165/16 ED 3 Folio 3 Pg 1 line 15, hsehold of Robert & Eleanor KIRKUP, copy d/loaded May 2006.
Bishop's Transcripts, Stapleton, CUL, ENG, Mar. 1811 Robert TURNBULL/Eleanor SCOTT, p/copy held, taken Aug 1994.
1841 Census (images for ENG, transcriptions for SCT), UK, Par. of Rockliffe, Sub Reg Dist of Stanwix, Dist of Carlisle Ho107/165/16 ED 3 Folio 3 Pg 1 line 15, hsehold of Robert & Eleanor KIRKUP, copy d/loaded May 2006.
Online search: assorted surnames, International Genealogical Index (IGI), Chr. 1814 Robert to Robert & Eleanor KIRKUP, Arthuret, CUL, batch C042992, extracted May 2006.
Online search: assorted surnames, International Genealogical Index (IGI), Chr. 1818 Margaret to Robert & Eleanor KIRKUP, Kirklinton, CUL, batch C057991, extracted May 2006.
Online search: assorted surnames, International Genealogical Index (IGI), Chr. 1821 John to Robert KIRKUP & Ellibor TURNBULL, Arthuret, CUL, batch C042992, extracted May 2006.

E. & O. E. Some/most parish records are rather hard to read and names, places hard to interpret, particularly if you are unfamiliar with an area.

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