David Runciman (marr. to Margaret Brown)1

(say 1685 - after 1734)
Father-PossGeorge Runciman (marr. Jennet Finlay) (say 1645 - ); The identification of George & Jennet as David's parents is based purely on date and location and lack of documented alternatives.
With the results now coming out of the DNA project, possibly we should be looking within East Lothian for David's parents? Also, the naming pattern of known/presumed children does indicate we should possibly be looking for a John & Isobel instead, of which there are a couple around, the closest by date/place being a John & Isabel (MOFFET) RUNCIMAN who had a son "Georg" baptised in Lauder in 1682 - but there's a large gap between the 1715 John and 1722 David to upset that name calculation1,2
Mother-PossJennet Finlay2,1 (say 1645 - )
Relationship6th great-grandfather of Lorna Henderson

Intro

     We have an excellent set of DNA matches between representatives of the lines of: David, weaver of Earlston; William of Crail; Thomas of Innerwick and Alexander of Meikle Pinkerton.
Exactly how their trees connect is completely unknown, particularly now that the initial hypothesis linking Thomas of Innerwick and William of Crail has been overturned.3

BMDB data

     David Runciman was born say 1685 prob. in BEW, SCT, (date a guess, assumes he married at about 25.)4 He married Margaret Brown on 12 Jun 1712 Gordon, Par. of Gordon, BEW, SCT.1,5
     David Runciman died aft. 1734 prob. in Earlston, BEW, SCT; although when last presumed child baptised he was living at "West Moristoun."6
     NB the change of tack re William of Crail's parents.
From the Runciman DNA project we have a good match between descendants of Thomas married to Alison Grieve, and of William of Crail (and two other lines).
A tentative paper trail had been constructed between Thomas, William and the Robert married to Janet Sinclair and Katherine Begbie.
Some of William of Crail's orphaned children were known to have been brought up by a Richard RUNCIMAN living in North Berwick, and there was a baptism of an appropriate Richard to Robert and Katherine (Begbie), the assumption being that William of Crail was the William born to Robert and Janet (Sinclair) in 1717.
Likewise Thomas born Prestonpans, the son of Robert Runciman and Janet Sinclair, with a brother William, was assumed to be the same Thomas married to Alison Grieve with first known son Robert, living Thornton, Innerwick.
However, a recent (Oct 2012) closer reading of the papers in the National Archives about the orphaned children showed that Richard was their grandfather.
Back to the drawing board.
The working assumption now is that William was the one baptised 1729 to the Richard married to Jennet GOURLAY instead, albeit that this makes William marginally on the young side to have married his first wife by 1748, particularly as she was stated to be 31 when she died in 1753. As Richard and Jennet (GOURLAY) married in 1728, William's baptism in 1729 could be assumed to be shortly after his birth.
So how are Robert (married to Janet SINCLAIR and Katharine BEGBIE) and Richard married to Jennet GOURLAY connected?7,8,9,10

Census/Where lived/Occupations

     David Runciman was a weaver Earlston, BEW, SCT.11

Wills/bequests

     In the will of James Runciman on 8 Jun 1858 Wantonwalls, Par. of Lauder, BEW, SCT, David Runciman (marr. to Margaret Brown) was mentioned as his great grandfather.11,12

All the other info

     As of Mar 2010 descendants of David Runciman (marr. to Margaret Brown) and William Runciman (of Crail) have been shown to be genetically related. The DNA results show an excellent match between descendants of these two families (66/67 between a descendant of the Michigan families and 65/67 between a descendant of the Wanton Walls branch).
How they connect is completely unknown as yet. The dna results were a complete surprise so there isn't, yet, a plausible connection between the two families. (I was/am on the trail of trying to prove a completely different theory, which isn't nullified by the newfound results, about the connections for William of Crail as part of the Runciman One Name Study.)13

External links

     Click here to see David's page on WikiTree, a (free) collaborative on-line tree.14
     David Runciman (marr. to Margaret Brown) belongs to a DNA tested line. There may be more information available on DNASurnames under the DNA project for his/her surname/line.

Family

Margaret Brown (say 1690 - )
Children
  • Margarat Runchiman15 (cir. Jan 1714 - )
  • John Runciman+ (cir. Nov 1715 - aft. Nov 1788); John's grdson James' will states that John's father was David, weaver of Earlston11,16,17
  • David Runciman18 (cir. Feb 1722 - )
  • Isabel Runchiman19 (cir. Jul 1724 - )
  • Jenet Runchiman20 (cir. Mar 1728 - )
  • Elspeth Runchiman21 (cir. Oct 1731 - )
  • William Runciman+6 (cir. Jun 1734 - )
ChartsRUNCIMAN of Earlston/Wanton Walls
My pedigree chart
Ancestors & siblings of Les Henderson
Paternal ancestors of Lorna
Paternal timeline

Helen Sinton WIGHT's ancestors

Last Edited6 Feb 2016

Citations

  1. H D W, "RUNCIMAN Correspondence," e-mail to L Henderson (1), Marr. 1712 David RUNCIMAN & Margaret BROWN, Gordon, BEW, rcvd Mar 2003.
  2. Lorna Henderson, "RUNCIMAN Analysis", Mar 2003, updated Feb 2012.
  3. RUNCIMAN DNA Project online at http://dnasurnames.info/lineages/spRUNCIMANLineages.htm, Nov 2012.
  4. Lorna Henderson, "RUNCIMAN Analysis", Mar 2003.
  5. Scotlands People Index, "OPR Berwick, Scotland, RUNCIMAN Marriages 1538-1854", Marr. 12 Jun 1712 David RUNCIMAN & Margaret BROWN, Gordon, BEW, 742/ 0020 0122, extracted from index Oct 2005.
  6. Scottish BMDB entries (to 1854), http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php, Bap. 24 Jun 1734 William s/o David RUNCIMAN, weaver West Moristoun, at Legerwood, BEW 749/00 0010 0042, copy d/loaded Feb 2012.
  7. RUNCIMAN DNA Project online at http://dnasurnames.info/lineages/spRUNCIMANLineages.htm, Updated Sep 2011.
  8. Lorna Henderson, "RUNCIMAN Conclusions", Apr 2010, updated Nov 2012.
  9. Phyllis RUNCIMAN, "EM RUNCIMAN/WISHART/JAMIESON ex Phyllis R," e-mail to Lorna Henderson, Pay-outs to the widows and children of the Crail fishermen drowned on 21st January 1765, from GD/26/12/25 held National Archives of Scotland (NAS), transcr. by Phyllis rcvd Nov 2012.
  10. H D W, "RUNCIMAN Correspondence," e-mail to L Henderson (1), H/stone (& info) William RUNSHEMAN/RUNSYMAN and family, Crail, FIF, from pre 1855 transcriptions, rcvd Jan 2010.
  11. Will: RUNCIMAN, James 1858, 1867, 1872 (Will written Jun 1858 codicil Dec 1867 Inventory 23 Feb 1872 proved 8 Mar 1872) SC60/41/24 (27 pp) & SC60/44/6 (2pp): Copy d/loaded Sep 2005, (SC60/41/24 dated 23rd Feb 1872 detailed inventory, and Trust Dispostion & Settlement of 8th Jun 1858 and codicil 27 Dec 1867 - 27pp in all)
    (SC60/44/6 dated 8th March 1872 confirmed appointment of executors).
  12. Robert S.McCutcheon, "EM Borders/CAI Corres:McCUTCHEON," e-mail to (1), Photo of The Rhymer's Tower, Earlston, rcvd Nov 2005.
  13. RUNCIMAN DNA Project online at http://dnasurnames.info/lineages/spRUNCIMANLineages.htm, DNA match between R-7 and R-1 (65/67) and R-2 (66/67), rcvd Mar 2010.
  14. WikiTree online at http://WikiTree.com/, Oct-11.
  15. Scottish BMDB entries (to 1854), http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php, Bap. 17 Jan 1714 Margarat d/o David RUNCHIMAN, Legerwood, BEW 749/00 0010 0022, copy d/loaded Feb 2012.
  16. David RUNCIMAN, "RUNCIMAN Corres.," e-mail to Lorna Henderson, Bap. 1715 John s/o David RUNCIMAN, Gordon, BEW, transcript rcvd May 2007.
  17. Scotlands People Index, "OPR Berwick, SCT, RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854", Bap. 4 Dec 1715 John s/o David RUNCIMAN (in Lingerwood), Dist 742 #2, from RUNCIMAN births 1553 to 1716, Gordon, BEW, index searched Oct 2005.
  18. Scottish BMDB entries (to 1854), http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php, Bap. 25 Feb 1722 David s/o David RUNCIMAN, Legerwood, BEW 749/00 0010 0027, copy d/loaded Feb 2012.
  19. Scotlands People Index, "OPR Berwick, SCT, RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854", Birth/Bap.? 5 Jul 1724 Isabel d/o David RUNCHIMAN, Legerwood, BEW, 749/ 0010 0028, extracted from index Feb 2012.
  20. Scotlands People Index, "OPR Berwick, SCT, RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854", Birth/Bap.? 10 Mar 1728 Jenet d/o David RUNCHIMAN, Legerwood, BEW, 749/ 0010 0030, extracted from index Feb 2012.
  21. Scottish BMDB entries (to 1854), http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php, Bap. 17 Oct 1731 Elsepth d/o David RUNCHIMAN, weaver, Legerwood, BEW 749/00 0010 0031, copy d/loaded Feb 2012.

E. & O. E. Some/most parish records are rather hard to read and names, places hard to interpret, particularly if you are unfamiliar with an area.